Comments on: The situation for gays & lesbians is getting better http://dailycandor.com/the-situation-for-gays-lesbians-is-getting-better/ A daily cup full of reality. Forget that Starbucks shit; drink this. Tue, 15 May 2012 02:15:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Bij Lobith komt de Rijn Ons Land http://dailycandor.com/the-situation-for-gays-lesbians-is-getting-better/comment-page-1/#comment-1740 Bij Lobith komt de Rijn Ons Land Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:57:58 +0000 http://dailycandor.com/the-situation-for-gays-lesbians-is-getting-better/#comment-1740 "Gay visibility on TV and popular media is growing" there is this tv drama pilot called "Virtuality" which featured a gay couple, but sadly i think it got canceled right away. “Gay visibility on TV and popular media is growing”

there is this tv drama pilot called “Virtuality” which featured a gay couple, but sadly i think it got canceled right away.

]]> By: Bij Lobith komt de Rijn Ons Land http://dailycandor.com/the-situation-for-gays-lesbians-is-getting-better/comment-page-1/#comment-1723 Bij Lobith komt de Rijn Ons Land Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:32:25 +0000 http://dailycandor.com/the-situation-for-gays-lesbians-is-getting-better/#comment-1723 Hey moving is easier said than done. Some people have sick or elderly parents, can't just pack up and move. JM, you seem to have that wanderer mindset. Most of us don't. Not 5 years ago, our right wing Minister Rita Verdonk of Immigration affairs, said that she would sent Iranian gays back to Iran (who didn't qualify for immigration), and when someone said they might be hanged, she replied that they then should hide what they were, once they came off the plane. Such a nice liberal country, the Netherlands, eh? Since then, many things have changed. That bitch got kicked out of her rightwing party, started her own movement, not political party (so she is the dictator there) but is completely marginalized. We got a new govt, where she was replaced by a woman of Turkish decent... :) It's not a complete happy ending, though. Verdonks constituents have flocked to another rightwing extremist, (polling at TWENTY PERCENT, a number 1 position in our multi-party coalition system) who is pro-gay, but just so he can use it to bash muslims .... After he manages to kick all muslims out, you just know who he'll go after next ... just remember that about 20 percent in Europe and the Netherlands is extreme rightwing, like limbaugh/palin. Or even more extreme. Hey moving is easier said than done. Some people have sick or elderly parents, can’t just pack up and move. JM, you seem to have that wanderer mindset. Most of us don’t.

Not 5 years ago, our right wing Minister Rita Verdonk of Immigration affairs, said that she would sent Iranian gays back to Iran (who didn’t qualify for immigration), and when someone said they might be hanged, she replied that they then should hide what they were, once they came off the plane.
Such a nice liberal country, the Netherlands, eh?

Since then, many things have changed. That bitch got kicked out of her rightwing party, started her own movement, not political party (so she is the dictator there) but is completely marginalized. We got a new govt, where she was replaced by a woman of Turkish decent… :)

It’s not a complete happy ending, though. Verdonks constituents have flocked to another rightwing extremist, (polling at TWENTY PERCENT, a number 1 position in our multi-party coalition system) who is pro-gay, but just so he can use it to bash muslims …. After he manages to kick all muslims out, you just know who he’ll go after next …

just remember that about 20 percent in Europe and the Netherlands is extreme rightwing, like limbaugh/palin. Or even more extreme.

]]> By: JM http://dailycandor.com/the-situation-for-gays-lesbians-is-getting-better/comment-page-1/#comment-1501 JM Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:34:07 +0000 http://dailycandor.com/the-situation-for-gays-lesbians-is-getting-better/#comment-1501 Baraeris: Are you arguing that the bigoted backwater you live in is no better now than it was 20 years ago? Compare apples to apples, please. Besides, the fact that, at least on the national level, we have broad consensus that gays should be allowed in the military (not so 15 years ago when we were debating this) and that gay couples should be allowed civil unions/domestic partnerships (again, unthinkable just a generation ago) shows progress. If your stinking shithole of a hometown is so awful that it bucks national trends, then I strongly suggest you move. It is a free country, and I don't think California or Massachusetts are stopping people at the border. Baraeris: Are you arguing that the bigoted backwater you live in is no better now than it was 20 years ago? Compare apples to apples, please.

Besides, the fact that, at least on the national level, we have broad consensus that gays should be allowed in the military (not so 15 years ago when we were debating this) and that gay couples should be allowed civil unions/domestic partnerships (again, unthinkable just a generation ago) shows progress.

If your stinking shithole of a hometown is so awful that it bucks national trends, then I strongly suggest you move. It is a free country, and I don’t think California or Massachusetts are stopping people at the border.

]]> By: Baraeris http://dailycandor.com/the-situation-for-gays-lesbians-is-getting-better/comment-page-1/#comment-1500 Baraeris Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:41:44 +0000 http://dailycandor.com/the-situation-for-gays-lesbians-is-getting-better/#comment-1500 Ahhh.... No. Nope. Sorry, but those rose colored glasses you're wearing don't mean much to those of us who still witness the very real bigotry every day, especially when the so called "gay leadership" (such as it is) are willing to throw large swathes of us under the bus. No. YOU may be better. Wealthy whites on the east and west coast may be better. But your poor cousins elsewhere who don't enjoy near the same rights that you others do? Nope. We're not better at all. The rights our cousins have in California, Massachusetts, etc would be PARADISE compared to our home states. You guys have it made. You just don't realize how privileged you really are compared to the rest of us. The times against when one measures "are we better now" is largely arbitrary, and subjective. Ahhh…. No. Nope. Sorry, but those rose colored glasses you’re wearing don’t mean much to those of us who still witness the very real bigotry every day, especially when the so called “gay leadership” (such as it is) are willing to throw large swathes of us under the bus.

No. YOU may be better. Wealthy whites on the east and west coast may be better. But your poor cousins elsewhere who don’t enjoy near the same rights that you others do? Nope. We’re not better at all. The rights our cousins have in California, Massachusetts, etc would be PARADISE compared to our home states. You guys have it made. You just don’t realize how privileged you really are compared to the rest of us.

The times against when one measures “are we better now” is largely arbitrary, and subjective.

]]> By: JM http://dailycandor.com/the-situation-for-gays-lesbians-is-getting-better/comment-page-1/#comment-16 JM Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:08:29 +0000 http://dailycandor.com/the-situation-for-gays-lesbians-is-getting-better/#comment-16 I *totally* know what you mean about effeminate Persian men. I think it's partially that "Euro" look, though - you know, the black pants, silk shirts, overly-gelled hair. Haven't met too many gay Persians myself, but then again maybe one trip to Westwood might convince me otherwise. ;) I *totally* know what you mean about effeminate Persian men. I think it’s partially that “Euro” look, though – you know, the black pants, silk shirts, overly-gelled hair.

Haven’t met too many gay Persians myself, but then again maybe one trip to Westwood might convince me otherwise. ;)

]]> By: isabella snow http://dailycandor.com/the-situation-for-gays-lesbians-is-getting-better/comment-page-1/#comment-11 isabella snow Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:36:40 +0000 http://dailycandor.com/the-situation-for-gays-lesbians-is-getting-better/#comment-11 Yes, good point. I think straight men don't mind lesbians because they like the idea of watching. I've never known a straight woman who disliked gay man, unless she was a scary bible thumper from the bible belt. And to clarify my Persian statement, being Persian myself (as you know!) I met lots of gay Persian men when I lived in L.A. and have personally always found Persian men to be unabashedly effeminate whether straight or not.. I mean.. they're more girlie than me, many of them! I'd have liked to ask the Pres a few questions about that! Yes, good point. I think straight men don’t mind lesbians because they like the idea of watching. I’ve never known a straight woman who disliked gay man, unless she was a scary bible thumper from the bible belt.

And to clarify my Persian statement, being Persian myself (as you know!) I met lots of gay Persian men when I lived in L.A. and have personally always found Persian men to be unabashedly effeminate whether straight or not.. I mean.. they’re more girlie than me, many of them! I’d have liked to ask the Pres a few questions about that!

]]> By: JM http://dailycandor.com/the-situation-for-gays-lesbians-is-getting-better/comment-page-1/#comment-7 JM Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:49:08 +0000 http://dailycandor.com/the-situation-for-gays-lesbians-is-getting-better/#comment-7 You might be right. Lesbians just don't strike the kind of ire among straight men that gay men do, and it's pretty rare to find an obsessively anti-gay woman. Unless she's a closet lesbian. You might be right. Lesbians just don’t strike the kind of ire among straight men that gay men do, and it’s pretty rare to find an obsessively anti-gay woman. Unless she’s a closet lesbian.

]]> By: isabella snow http://dailycandor.com/the-situation-for-gays-lesbians-is-getting-better/comment-page-1/#comment-4 isabella snow Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:09:14 +0000 http://dailycandor.com/the-situation-for-gays-lesbians-is-getting-better/#comment-4 Interesting! As for the no-gays-in-Iran comment.. that might be true, cos L.A. is FULL of gay Persians! Maybe they've just all managed to escape.. ;-) Re Ellen, I remember her when she was just a standup. She was hysterical. But I think its easier for Americans to accept lesbians than gay men, cos women are always viewed as less threatening then men, regardless of orientation. Good post! Interesting! As for the no-gays-in-Iran comment.. that might be true, cos L.A. is FULL of gay Persians! Maybe they’ve just all managed to escape.. ;-)

Re Ellen, I remember her when she was just a standup. She was hysterical. But I think its easier for Americans to accept lesbians than gay men, cos women are always viewed as less threatening then men, regardless of orientation.

Good post!

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